fl0werchylde ([info]fl0werchylde) wrote,

mmmmmmmmmmmmmgoood

Being a post whore today.

Infinitely frustrated with the adult world's concept of "training"..

Self Study

"Industry training, at least in its popular form, is roughly based on the model of a fire hydrant: sit in front of it, open the valve, and take a big drink. Due to time limitations, trainers present information at a rapid pace, with participants retaining only a fraction of what they see and hear. What knowledge they do gain seldom passes on to co-workers after the training session, and is forgotten almost as rapidly as it is presented, necessitating continual re-training. While working as an Instrumentation professional, I attended many training sessions, witnessing the inefficiency of the process firsthand. I have never seen a case where trainees leave a training session with increased skills as independent learners. Quite to the contrary, training sessions condition the trainees to become more dependent on the training cycle by forcing them into the role of a passive recipient. They often leave with the impression of the instructor being something of a genius for being able to present so much information so quickly, and instilling within their own minds a sense of inferiority for not grasping all of it at the delivered pace.

It also dawned on my reluctant mind that our pedagogical model at the college was based around this same "fire hydrant" methodology: present an incredible amount of information in a short time, and hope that students retain at least some of it. As bad as this philosophy is, it makes perfect sense why it is this
way. One reason is that vocational instructors are typically ex-industry professionals, indoctrinated in this method by years of short-term training. They teach as they have been taught. Secondly, knowledge-specific learning outcomes (written as long lists of specific subject areas and skills {are most efficiently dispatched in this rapid fire format. Not that students will actually retain all these things as they are presented, mind you, but an instructor faced with a long list of topics to cover is tempted to present them as quickly as possible due to time constraints."


And stolen from some Islamic Home-Schooling site:
"Education is life long and can only happen when the person is ready to receive what you have to offer. An educated person is an all rounder not deficient in any life discipline. A schooled person is a specialist. They can only do what they have a paper for. If they want to do something else they have to go away and do a course for it."

I don't think you understand that everything inside my being roils at the idea of self-study. It just seems WRONG. Part of it is undeniably that learning on your own requires more effort. It requires hard work, and I hate working. Plus I can't imagine what my life would've been like if I were expected to "work" at teaching myself some of the boring required shit I've had to learn thus far. I just *think* I'm dumb now. The range of things I'd know would be extremely limited. I mean even more than they are now. When I was little all I ever wanted to do was read. Fiction. Oh, and play piano. There's a long list of things I might've tried, but an even longer list of things I would never have taken.

Second issue that has me squirming is type-related. I just hate the idea of being my own authority, of having no real point of reference. All interest in learning would desert me if there was no payoff at the end of someone saying, "Hey, good job." If there's no approval meter and no assessment, I don't have any interest. Plus, we all know with the Internet that you can find 50 different sources to give you 50 different answers on something. How can you ever be sure? You'll just run around *thinking* you know something. At least in a situation with a teacher, you know that the knowledge is relative to his/her personal preferences, and all you have to do to "learn" is to come up with the answers that make him/her happy. It's no longer your cred that's the issue. If stuff happens, you just say you followed everything as taught by X, and that person becomes responsible. It's a lot better than having to tell people you just made some shit up or heard it somewhere. Then all the blame and responsibility is on you. You're the dumbass that didn't know what you were doing, and didn't bother to get any kind of qualified guidance. I hate the idea that you could be all off... way out in left field.. thinking you really know something.

Grrrr.

How often do you have to do something that just kills you and goes against everything you are? It's something like chopping off your own arm, going totally against your instinct for self-preservation. Why would I do that? Where would I find the inner strength and impetus to do it?

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[info]watchtowel

July 20 2005, 19:29:38 UTC 6 years ago

>>>I don't think you understand that everything inside my being roils at the idea of self-study. It just seems WRONG. Part of it is undeniably that learning on your own requires more effort. It requires hard work, and I hate working. Plus I can't imagine what my life would've been like if I were expected to "work" at teaching myself some of the boring required shit I've had to learn thus far.<<<

I don't know what the difference is. I learn because I enjoy it. I don't consider it work, and just exposing myself to it is learning if I am interested in the subject. And you learned everything you know about personality type, on your own, via self-study.

Personally, I don't learn very well via the fire-hydrant method. I need to be in active mode for it to stick. I need to go think of applications for the information so it will have some structure for the information to reside in. But come to think of it, I stay in active mode anyway because I don't gain any meaning from words if I am not translating words heard into imagery.

The payoff for me, is to be able to solve a problem, or knowing in my head that I can. I pour information into my mind so it will be available to draw from. I don't know what the payoff of that is, other than the longterm benefit of knowing it will be of value on a future task I guess.

You say you could learn well when the prof could make it interesting for you? Perhaps it's time for you to learn how to make things interesting for yourself, or else go find yourself a new profession.

[info]fl0werchylde

July 20 2005, 20:47:06 UTC 6 years ago

And you learned everything you know about personality type, on your own, via self-study.

People keep saying that, and I don't see it that way at all. I've had some very good teachers, even if they didn't have a certification or title.

Personally, I don't learn very well via the fire-hydrant method. I need to be in active mode for it to stick.

Same here.

Perhaps it's time for you to learn how to make things interesting for yourself, or else go find yourself a new profession.

Trying hard to figure out what to do next, and how to pay for the education it will take.

[info]drunkitty

July 20 2005, 23:07:11 UTC 6 years ago

training

I went to the McDonalds out here last night, through the drive through, they had a girl working window #1 (the one where they take your order and your money) alone... on her second day on the job.

[info]fl0werchylde

July 21 2005, 02:35:57 UTC 6 years ago

Re: training


Talk about OJT. Maybe more like being thrown into the deep end.

Or maybe she's just a real fast learner?

[info]drunkitty

July 21 2005, 02:38:13 UTC 6 years ago

Re: training

I'd say no since she at one point during my order had 4 people standing around trying to show her how to do something.

[info]fl0werchylde

July 22 2005, 13:22:30 UTC 6 years ago

Re: training

Hope you at least got your food.

[info]drunkitty

July 22 2005, 14:37:28 UTC 6 years ago

Re: training

yeah, I did. Surprisingly it was correct. The only bummer was that they are no longer taking the coupon for the fruit and walnut salad so it's back up to $3.

[info]fl0werchylde

July 22 2005, 15:02:28 UTC 6 years ago

Re: training

Eh... random note. You were totally right about the walnuts! ;)

[info]drunkitty

July 22 2005, 16:11:44 UTC 6 years ago

Re: training

I'm thinking about seeing if the place in the mall that sells the candied nuts has good ones that would be worth using to make my own homemade fruit and walnut salad.

[info]heratyck

July 22 2005, 05:04:14 UTC 6 years ago


How often do you have to do something that just kills you and goes against everything you are? It's something like chopping off your own arm, going totally against your instinct for self-preservation. Why would I do that? Where would I find the inner strength and impetus to do it?


I feel that way about housework in general.... I am so not made for this stuff...

Seriously tho... I really think you wouldn't be having these issues if you were in a field that you enjoyed and excelled at... My husband floundered, and alternated between states of anxiety and despair when he was in a field that did not compliment his interests or talents...

I see your talent being one of patience, relating and understanding... with your interest in communication and learning styles, I think you'd thrive as a teacher... I could just see you reaching the one kid that would otherwise fall through the cracks because he/she didn't "get" the conventional methods that so many teachers push...

[info]fl0werchylde

July 22 2005, 13:14:34 UTC 6 years ago

I feel that way about housework in general.... I am so not made for this stuff...

You have 4 kids... what are *they* doing? ;) ;)

Seriously tho... I really think you wouldn't be having these issues if you were in a field that you enjoyed and excelled at... My husband floundered, and alternated between states of anxiety and despair when he was in a field that did not compliment his interests or talents...

Thanks. Your comments brought back the original teacher/tutor idea, or going into Ed Psych. I wish I knew how to get there from here. Maybe I'll call a career counselor before the week is out.
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